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<nettime> sibylla ti theleis digest [4x: van Weelden, hardie, sanborn, simpson]


re: <nettime> The Vegetative Prince Will Not Wake Up: 

     Willem van Weelden <w.v.weelden {AT} chello.nl>
     martin hardie <martin.hardie {AT} gmail.com>
     Keith Sanborn <mrzero {AT} panix.com>
     Murray Simpson <m.k.simpson {AT} dundee.ac.uk>

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Subject: Re: <nettime> The Vegetative Prince Will Not Wake Up: 
     Dutch Prince Friso medical ethics and the ordeal of social inequality
From: Willem van Weelden <w.v.weelden {AT} chello.nl>
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 00:14:35 +0200

Hi,

Deplorable, inappropriate, outrageous and utterly stupid are the =
qualifications that come to mind by involutarily reading your (Keith, =
MP, Martin, Murray) contributions to the discussion on the issue of the =
Prince.
If you consider yourselves to be a beacon of high morals in a fascist, =
state ruled world that does not seem to care about individual choice =
about the prime issue of life and death, with all your corny references =
to Agamben (he would spit in contempt on the way you are using his 'bare =
life' thesis), ill researched finds on the web (thank you Karin for =
correcting that!!), to put it into a similar moral tone : 'you should be =
ashamed of yourself'!!! If this is all you can offer than for me the =
only conclusion is that you are all bored to death, and should be =
granted euthanasia immediately, as you are all suffering severely from =
an incurable 'Discursive Theory Disorder' (DTD), as you demonstrate =
obscenely any lack of true love of life.=20

choke on that!

best,
willem






On Aug 28, 2012, at 11:22 PM, martin hardie wrote:

> Thanks for chasing that up Keith.
 <...>

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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:18:21 +1000
Subject: Re: <nettime> The Vegetative Prince Will Not Wake Up: Dutch Prince
From: martin hardie <martin.hardie {AT} gmail.com>

"These people were *in the actual process* of dying, ..."

hence there life was not worth living


On 29 August 2012 08:14, Willem van Weelden <w.v.weelden {AT} chello.nl> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Deplorable, inappropriate, outrageous and utterly stupid are the
 <...>

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From: Keith Sanborn <mrzero {AT} panix.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime> The Vegetative Prince Will Not Wake Up: 
     Dutch Prince Friso medical ethics and the ordeal of social inequality
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 19:35:20 -0400

This is the redaction I was referring to:

http://www.patientsrightscouncil.org/site/holland-background/

This version is substantially different from how you summarize it. Do you th=
ink this is misrepresentative of the report?

Keith

On Aug 28, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Karin Spaink <karin {AT} spaink.net> wrote:

> On Aug 28, 2012, at 18:07 , Keith Sanborn wrote:
>=20
>> I was incredulous myself. Google Remenlink report and you will find the n=
umbers are closer to 6,000 involuntary terminations of life
>=20
> Ah, *that*. That was not 2000, but 1000 people. And the committee name is R=
emmelink. And these people - known as 'the Remmelink thousand" - weren't kil=
led. These people were *in the actual process* of dying, and were so far gon=
e that they could no longer express any wishes. In about 400 of these cases,=
 these people had stated explicitly earlier on that they would want euthanas=
ia. And that was *before* the euthanasia law passed.=20
 <...>

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From: Murray Simpson <m.k.simpson {AT} dundee.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: <nettime> The Vegetative Prince Will Not Wake Up: Dutch Prince
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 14:29:35 +0000

On 28/08/2012 22:22, "martin hardie" <martin.hardie {AT} gmail.com> wrote:

>Regarding my demagogy it is the state that ultimately authorises the
>killing of a life not worth living. No matter what liberal clothes you try
>to dress this up in the problem is one at the centre of the question of
>bare life.

But, surely, you are side-stepping the issue of actually determining a
life as 'not worth living', as though that were some given fact.  The
central issue of biopolitics is not the extermination of lives not worthy
of life, but the very positing of biology as the fundamental principle of
governance.

Murray


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