Lorenzo Tripodi on Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:02:14 +0200 (CEST) |
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Re: <nettime> Bitcoin, the end of the Taboo on Money |
On Apr 8, 2013, at 8:23 AM, Felix Stalder <felix@openflows.com> wrote: > PS: I put "the state" in quotation marks because of the difficulty of > drawing clear boundaries around any such entities. Do privately-run > but publicly-mandated and -subsidized daycare centers (kitas, in > German) belong to the state? I do not think the point is to define precisely the "State". The point is that the German state pays every month 500 hundred euro to the kita to guest my son (even if I am a foreigner living in Germany) , which I could not afford otherwise. It does so even if I cannot pay now enough taxes to compensate what I get from it. The point raised by Florian is that the money necessary to the welfare are raised through public taxation; which are the alternative proposed by a electronic currency system which avoids this taxation ? Yes, I could save the public taxation and use the money to pay directly the kindergarten in a free market situation. But at this point I am completely dependent to my capacity to compete in the capitalist economy, where those who are stronger have more possibilities and the other will succumb. Don't mistake me, I have a libertarian and even anarchist propension, but the point to me is not simply how to free money from the state control, rather to imagine alternative non state welfare systems pledging equal opportunities to everyone, having a redistributive role, and building solidarity among people. That means not simply challenging the network to free currency from banks and state's control, but how recreate and manage commonalities. Are we able to imagine a currency system that challenges the principles through which (plus) value is created? Otherwise electronic currency risks to become the ultimate neo-liberist achievement? lorenzo urbanist and film maker # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@kein.org