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<nettime> paying readers to digest their data [x2: hopkins, gurstein] |
FW: <nettime> paying users for their data John Hopkins <jhopkins@neoscenes.net> "michael gurstein" <gurstein@gmail.com> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 09:43:26 -0700 From: John Hopkins <jhopkins@neoscenes.net> Subject: Re: <nettime> paying users for their data On 24/Jul/14 08:12, olia lialina wrote: > Dear Felix > > I'm afraid you are mixing up value of personal data and value of time > spend filling a service with this data. Not to mention the cost of life-time/life-energy spent in *consuming* other's FB data stream! What tiny social return 'earned' is completely lost in the alienating black hole of staring, alone, at a (tiny) screen... jh -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dr. John Hopkins, BSc, MFA, PhD grounded on a granite batholith twitter: @neoscenes http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: "michael gurstein" <gurstein@gmail.com> Subject: FW: <nettime> paying users for their data Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 08:35:25 -0700 Fascinating and revealing set of calculations... My suspicion is that there would be similar results in per user/usage costs for a variety of natural monopoly public services (water, electricity, sewage, public health etc.) once the cost of infrastructure was removed. This suggests to me of course, that Facebook (interpersonal information sharing) and other such global Internet based service monopolies (Google (search), Amazon (retail purchasing?)) should probably be approached from a public utility perspective (including the need for public ownership... M -----Original Message----- From: nettime-l-bounces@mail.kein.org [mailto:nettime-l-bounces@mail.kein.org] On Behalf Of Felix Stalder Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:29 AM To: nettime-l@mx.kein.org Subject: <nettime> paying users for their data Occasionally there is the idea that the big internet companies, which collect and monetize user data, should pay their users directly, as they are, after all, the original producers of all that data. Jaron Lanier has made this argument, among others. <...> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@kein.org