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Re: <nettime> 'fuck europe!' then what?
Heiko Recktenwald on Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:21:00 +0100 (CET)


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Re: <nettime> 'fuck europe!' then what?


<<
Treaties are not constitutions founded by/on the rights of the people.
>>

It is very much founded on four freedoms.

Cheers. On 20 November 2014 at 12:42, Alex Foti <alex.foti {AT} gmail.com>
wrote:
>> is the european question the analog of the habsburg question or the ottoman
>> question in the 19th century? i don't think so, but there's certainly room
>> for the belief that the 'sick man of europe' is europe itselft, or rather
>> the EU.

There is no sickness in the world. There are only some who are healing
their wounds. How pathetic.

There was and still is a Europe of nations and there are some common
politics. The rest is powerplay.
And it is indeed turning political thinking into another direction. The
states have less and less power/freedom. The political players have not
yet understood the new game maybe. When structures change people have to
adopt. In whatever way. Change means that there are static positions
that are not valid anymore. Possession does not mean anything anymore.
Like the loss of analog LPs. People have to rethink politics and methods
may have to follow another content or maybe not. You cannnot force
gouvernements with demonstrations to do something anyway and it should
not make a difference whether a demonstration happens in Brussels or
Liverpool or Lissabon. The EU has its power from the national
gouvernements and if you dont like the role of the burocracy you can
make initiatives yourself. It is not necessary to use the "official
channels"  of the EU treaty for this. Just say: We want!

There are people who dont use the internet or their phone anymore and
want you to write letters.

It there anything the internet can do for you?

H.

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