Eric Kluitenberg on Fri, 3 Apr 2015 17:11:51 +0200 (CEST) |
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Re: <nettime> nottime: the end of nettime |
dear nettimers, So, nettime is not, for the moment going to disappear, and I'm for one quite happy about that. I feel ambivalent though about the way in which the issue of 'taking stock' of the current substance (or lack thereof) of the list and its extended constituency (to avoid the overused term `community') has been raised. For me the greatest quality of nettime is its continuity and continued presence, with all its defects and shortcomings, but still. And this is in no small part due to the continued efforts of Ted and Felix keeping this edifice alive and dragging it through extended periods of sluggishness. I used the word `monumental' in a private mail to Ted the other day (off-list) and saw that he already integrated it in his recent negation of all the shoulder patting rumbling through the ascii flows... Well OK let's move on then. I think there are a number of issues that need to be unpicked from this `intervention' that require some reflexion and possibly also some actions to follow up on. First an uneasy one that so far only Ted dared address (yesterday): ownership of the list and what extends from it - Ted and Felix don't know if they could, or have the `right', to close this list down even if they wanted to - despite their extremely extended `stewardship' of the whole affair. And Ted's right - I don't think that this list and what it extends into is or should be / can be `owned' by anyone, and therefore nobody in particular has the right to shut it down. Still, things need to be maintained, both technically, editorially and as a living social entity - all that doesn't happen by itself and if the extended constituency would not find somehow a solution for it the thing would in effect disappear if Ted and Felix stopped taking care of things. That's an unresolved dilemma that afflicts many of such invaluable not for profit / not for glory enterprises - a bit of `crowd funding' will not solve this. David Garcia is talking about `resilience' instead of that other overused term 'sustainability', but we don't know exactly how to organise this beyond personal sacrifice (sacrificial labour is a more apt term here than `affective'). That's an important one for our list - how to solve this (not just for nettime)? But then there are a whole bunch of specific issues lumped together in the original posting that should in fact be taken separately, I think, before we make a judgement about the larger whole. I've copied the paragraph again at the bottom of this message. So let's unpick: - the summer of the internet is over: that is in itself already a question whether or not this moment and its momentum is over? I actually don't really think so, but it has become a much more complicated space of activity to get to grips with - the walled gardens of (anti-) `social' networking platforms (that everybody nonetheless seems to flock to, so where are the alternatives that are so unlike the corporate mainstream?). The revelation that the control society was every bit as bad as we had imagined it in our worst nightmares... The sad fact that the massive participation in online media and self-mediation has not by itself and of itself lead to a more open, democratic, equitable society (or should we say `collective'?). - the former `East' for the most part does not exist anymore - it is now rather a vanguard for political experiments that set a tone for much of Europe to follow. What was still termed `enduring post-communism' during Next 5 Minutes 4, back in 2003, now really seems to have come to an end. The rise of chauvinist authoritarianism voted into power in Hungary is not so much a regression to the past as it is a prefiguration of a future we must desperately try to avoid. - that we have so little reports and discussions about what is happening on Russia's borders is actually hardly a surprise. The only ones who could offer us a genuinely interesting perspective on what is going on are the ones inside Russia, who live that situation. But they will not speak out in public - it's too dangerous. Do it and not only will you put your own life at risk (think of Oleg Kyreev's so-called 'suicide' after openly supporting the idea of an orange revolution in Russia - we will never forget that!), but also the livelihood of your friends and family (losing jobs, benefits, housing, opportunities) - this is all very real and the last thing you will do when in such a situation is speak out in public (archived for eternity). No wonder there's no voices on this list that could enlighten us. We are very much back to the good old days of `Kremlin-watchers' who attempt to interpret spurious signs of tightly controlled (media-)enactments that could mean anything or nothing at all - really.. - China, Middle-East, Africa, and for that matter Latin America, all very much absent indeed and we miss this dearly. There are net.cultures in these places, but they are not with us. I agree fully with Ted and Felix here that this is a major issue. In the past we had a healthy inflow from South Asia via the Sarai `constituency', but that too has dried up, largely because it migrated to Sarai's very active Reader List and other fora, but we've somehow lost touch. I guess for a variety of reasons. - nettime could do more, much more to connect with the new generations of what I usually refer to as the `movement(s) of the squares', and what Ted and Felix call the `flowerings of new forms of subjectivity and the new forms of sovereignty that they give rise to' - indeed. The generation issue is not so relevant for me. The more important point would be to build on nettime's continued presence to create connections between different generations, to exchange experiences and knowledge, to learn more from what is happening right now, to understand, create solidarity, gain new insights and energies.. That wil not happen by itself, but requires a dedicated and conscious effort - would that be thinkable in the context of nettime? Who knows? Maybe... - the "profoundly important dynamics across parts of the world conventionally -- and reductively -- called 'Muslim' or `Arab'" - when I want to figure out something there, my first stop is always the superb Jadaliyya blog. But there are no `Jadaliyyans' on nettime, alas, none so far as I am conscious about. And yet they are only one e-mail away. For the Tactical Media Files resource I collected a number of contributions from that `constituency' and never had a problem getting a swift response and co-operation, so what's stopping nettime? I think the idea for (finally) a nettime meeting again (after way too many years) is a really valuable one. And indeed it can take many forms, but it would be great to meet up for this, discuss, debate, invite youngsters and non-grey/whites/males/euromaricans and so on, cross-connect, pollinate, infect, contaminate and infuse, all that. Let's again be `proud to be flesh'.. In short, let's move from self-reflection to some concrete actions... up for the next 20...! :) in appreciation, eric On 01 Apr 2015, at 07:35, nettime mod squad <nettime@kein.org> wrote: In this and many other ways, nettime has been 'graying.' It's wedded to a particular Euro-American moment, the so-called summer of the Internet, which has since turned to winter. Nettime's once-radical embrace of the ex-East -- or, if you like, of the ex-West -- barely extends to Hungary now, and has nothing to say to the decisive conflicts around Russia's borders, obviously (but not only) in Ukraine. Its early tacit prohibition on ritualizeddebates about Israel and Palestine has grown into a complete failure to address the profoundly important dynamics across parts of the world conventionally -- and reductively -- called 'Muslim' or 'Arab.' These areas are too often consigned to the 'timelessness' of conflict, but there's every reason to believe that their liberatory struggles could ultimately define the future of the 'WEIRD' nations. China? Barely a peep about it. Africa? Nettime is nowheresville. The seas, the skies, the circulatory flows? Nada. And how about nongeographical 'areas' where the most moving cultural changes are happening -- in the flowerings of new forms of subjectivity around the world and the new forms of sovereignty they're giving rise to. Silence. But, really, who cares what a bunch of straight white cis guys -- which is 95% of the list's traffic -- think about those things? Really. # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@kein.org