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Re: <nettime> notes from the DIEM25 launch
Alex Foti on Mon, 15 Feb 2016 18:46:25 +0100 (CET)

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Re: <nettime> notes from the DIEM25 launch

   couldn't agree more. also 15 euros an hour, breakup of bank cartels,
   abolition of universal banking, fiscal expansion, ecojobs, a basic
   income for the eurozone etc.
   because otherwise it's lofty ideals about creating a multicultural
   space which nobody knows what it contains, where it ends, and most
   especially who's in charge. at the moment it's the neoliberals - i
   think we need a plan for our europe and a constituent strategy to make
   it happen (how to wield effective power, that is).
   i know my idea of making a revolution to proclaim a European
   Continental Republic is controversial and far-fetched - but i've grown
   tired of hearing the same arguments over and over again for Another
   Europe without knowing how to get from this Europe to that Europe.
   pace keith, i actually think europe is a postcolonial idea (1957, a
   year after suez..) and that the racism of europeans is not so much
   linked to colonial empires (italy only had a small one, though, so i
   might underemphasize) but more to the dark feudal christian identity of
   europe that still feeds the Right. we've been butchering people
   slightly different from us for centuries, and now many (most?) hate
   immigrants. sure our place in the world has been drastically diminished
   after 1945 (thank god), but we live in this part of the world and we
   don't want it to become a place where inequality and xenophobia rule. a
   united europe is not inevitable, actually disunity is very likely. a
   disunited europe based on the fucking nation-state is a recipe for
   (civil) war. we saw it happen already in the 1990s. it won't stop at
   the Italian and Austrian borders this time...
   i desperately hope diem 25 succeeds at least in some of its objectives.

   On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Armin Medosch <armin {AT} easynet.co.uk> wrote:

     Â  Â hello,
     Â  Â what this discussion shows sofar is the value of this list, nettime. I
     Â  Â was neither there, nor have I listened in to the stream, but I have the
     Â  Â impression that I have a pretty good idea of this meeting by now,
     Â  Â thanks to everyone.Ã

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