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Re: <nettime> notes from the DIEM25 launch
Hank Bull on Tue, 16 Feb 2016 14:37:12 +0100 (CET)


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Re: <nettime> notes from the DIEM25 launch


Greetings from Vancouver and thanks to all for this interesting report
and discussion, impossible to find anywhere but on nettlme. 

Hank

> On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:14 AM, Alex Foti <alex.foti {AT} gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>   couldn't agree more. also 15 euros an hour, breakup of bank cartels,
>   abolition of universal banking, fiscal expansion, ecojobs, a basic
>   income for the eurozone etc.
>   because otherwise it's lofty ideals about creating a multicultural
>   space which nobody knows what it contains, where it ends, and most
>   especially who's in charge. at the moment it's the neoliberals - i
>   think we need a plan for our europe and a constituent strategy to make
>   it happen (how to wield effective power, that is).
>   i know my idea of making a revolution to proclaim a European
>   Continental Republic is controversial and far-fetched - but i've grown
>   tired of hearing the same arguments over and over again for Another
>   Europe without knowing how to get from this Europe to that Europe.
>   pace keith, i actually think europe is a postcolonial idea (1957, a
>   year after suez..) and that the racism of europeans is not so much
>   linked to colonial empires (italy only had a small one, though, so i
>   might underemphasize) but more to the dark feudal christian identity of
>   europe that still feeds the Right. we've been butchering people
>   slightly different from us for centuries, and now many (most?) hate
>   immigrants. sure our place in the world has been drastically diminished
>   after 1945 (thank god), but we live in this part of the world and we
>   don't want it to become a place where inequality and xenophobia rule. a
>   united europe is not inevitable, actually disunity is very likely. a
>   disunited europe based on the fucking nation-state is a recipe for
>   (civil) war. we saw it happen already in the 1990s. it won't stop at
>   the Italian and Austrian borders this time...
>   i desperately hope diem 25 succeeds at least in some of its objectives.
>   ciao
>   lx
>   ???
> 
>   On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Armin Medosch <armin {AT} easynet.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>     ???  ??? hello,
>     ???  ??? what this discussion shows sofar is the value of this list, nettime. I
>     ???  ??? was neither there, nor have I listened in to the stream, but I have the
>     ???  ??? impression that I have a pretty good idea of this meeting by now,
>     ???  ??? thanks to everyone.???
> <...>
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