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Re: <nettime> New "thought rhythms'
Keith Sanborn on Thu, 5 Oct 2017 06:47:25 +0200 (CEST)


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Re: <nettime> New "thought rhythms'


The displacements in artistic labor are at once predictable—at least in « the West »—and often merely generation. What interests me more is what you might call the grandfather effect. Where a new generation goes in search of an artistic forbearer. It cd be an heroic forbearer two generations back or a marginalized artist of the previous generation who can be configured, or “read” or even misread as a precursor to the current generation who offers them a kind of pa- or maternity, a way into art historical legitimacy. This legitimator will be given new interest and even shown along side their work. A case in point is the “discovery” of John Baldessari by the “pictures generation” artists in ny, some of whom had studied with Baldessari at Calarts, notably David Salle, who also lead the charge for the rediscovery of Picabia in the US. Baldessari’s career reached new heights after this “discovery.”

One’s father, it seems, is better ignored than killed. 

> On Oct 4, 2017, at 10:42 PM, David ca <david.mandl {AT} gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This has been going on forever in popular music--maybe *all* music, and probably all art, for that matter.
> 
> Every new musical generation that comes along inevitably has some spokespeople who really want you to know that the previous generations, especially the generation they're bent on displacing, are a bunch of dinosaurs and jokers. "Get out of the way!" You can practically set your watch by it.
> 
> Sometimes the revolutionaries show how revolutionary they are by re-making a dinosaur classic in the new style-that-will-live forever. I put together a piece on this subject for the Rumpus a few years ago, though it appears the YouTube links are now broken. The affectless, cold-wave Flying Lizards doing the R&B classic "Money," Riot Grrrls Lunachicks eviscerating cock-rock neanderthals Bad Company, Sid Vicious doing *Sinatra* (OMFG!!!!):
> 
> https://therumpus.net/2012/10/heres-what-we-think-of-your-classic/
> 
> I would also claim that insurmountable differences between warring musical schools often get flattened out over time, so that twenty years later people can't understand what all the fighting was about. But that's another story.
> 
>   --Dave.
> 
> 
>> On Oct 4, 2017, at 5:58 AM, David Garcia <d.garcia {AT} new-tactical-research.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> New "thought rhythms'- announce the fact that Rock (including Punk) is dead. 
>> 
>> The old rhymes of largely white indy (largely white) guitar bands superseded by Hip Hop and Grime.. 
>> As my kids grow up I realise that though I can hear that the UK movement Grime and US Hip Hop 
>> are powerful .. on some level honestly.. deep in my bones.. I just don't get it yet. I'm stuck in the past. 
>> 
>> This sensation was summed up in recent essay by Martin Amis who asserts that it is natural that older 
>> writers should find younger writers irritating because younger writers are sending them an un-welcome message ..
>> they are saying its not like that anymore its like this”.. he goes on that in the present context “that and this” can be 
>> loosely described as the –thought rhythms- peculiar to the time-.. I love the term "thought rhythms".. It crystallises 
>> what we respond to in writing and indeed any art form. As implicit in the "thought rhythms” peculiar to any era are the 
>> distinctive values, moral, social and aesthetic.. And is it too pessimistic for me to feel that when they move on they 
>> move on they leave previous generations floundering or worse still faking an appreciation they don't actually feel. 
>> 
>> Don’t try to dig what we all s-s-say.
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