Christian Swertz via nettime-l on Thu, 21 Dec 2023 09:58:28 +0100 (CET)
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Dear Felix,
Am 21.12.23 um 00:25 schrieb Felix Stalder via nettime-l:
That model does not work anymore.
As far as I remember Habermas excluded the proletarian public from his
analysis. Thus it might be the case that the theory is still usesful and
the examples that were used to illustrate the theory still exist (at
least in my neighbourhood there is something like a middle class) - but
the proletarian public became louder. Thus it might necessary to extend
Habermas theory to include the proletarian public. I have to admit that
I'm not aware of convincing attempts in this direction.
We can speak "truth to power" all day long. Millions are marching
against the war in Gaza. But, simply, arguments don't count.
To me, that sounds a bit surprising. You mean the number of people
marching is an argument? Probably not. But yes: We observe the reporting
of a war (that is: a media reality) - but in the reality of wars, spoken
arguments don't count. For a deliberate democracy, peace is a condition.
To me, attempts to understand wars is as useless as understanding
religion. In this respect, I consider the theory of value spheres as
useful: Truth in a war is not identified by the best argument, but by
the biggest weapon, in religion by conduct in accordance with God, in
economy by profit and so on. If you locate yourself in a scientific
sphere or an arts sphere, you simply can not understand wars. You can
claim that wars are not theoretically justified or not beautiful - but
these claims are not relevant in wars. Obviously, this also holds true
the other way round: You can not justify scientific truth with a gun.
Thus power is not power. There are different types of power. This might
explain your observation:
But it's more than that, power doesn't speak anymore, it doesn’t need
argumentative justification, not even dishonest one. Has Trump ever
made a single argument? No.
He did - he won an election. That's truth in politics. In politics, you
need to win elections in order to be right (well - at least in some
political spheres). It is not relevant how you win elections - you just
need to win them. If you can exploit scientific results or weapons for
that: good. But scientific results of weapons are not relevant in
politics as they are in sciences and wars. The meaning of relevance is
just different. You have to turn scientific results or a weapon into a
fetish or a symbol (at least from these scientific perspectives - not
from a political perspective) to be successful, which might explain this
one:
Logical coherence doesn't matter
Absolutely. And it never did in politics (unless you can convince voters
with logical coherence). So - nothing new in this respect. Still the
same old story.
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Liebe Grüße,
Christian Swertz
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