EDP (by way of Pit Schultz <pit@contrib.de>) on Sat, 18 Jan 97 01:10 MET |
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Hari, Ted and a Watered-up Deleuze [re: Re: nettime: Hari Kuzru/Rewiring 2] |
[from: EDP <artlore@sirius.com>] The following is a short response to Ted Byfield's response to Hari Kunzru--Ed Phillips-edphil@minds.com Thanks Ted for sending that interesting piece of writing over nettime. I'm intrigued by your discussion but am confused by some of the distinctions you make and the terms you use. Much of my befuddlement centers around your use of that old standby, "vulgar." Manuel's use of Deleuze did not strike me as "vulgarization;" and to accuse someone of vulgarizing the nomadic readings of "A Thousand Plateaus" strikes me as a parody of a belleletrist put-down. D & G appropriated the "war machine" from Dumezil and threw a little Mumfordian "megamachine" into the mix; where then did Manuel De Landa draw the "war machine" from? I agree with you that Manuel's book should be read critically, as should Mumford, Dumezil, and Deleuze. However, I feel compelled to point out that, as Walter Hopps said in another context, De Landa actually "watered-up" some of the ideas that Deleuze voraciously foraged through in "Capitalism and Schizophrenia." Perhaps you were playing with idea of a hierarchy of vulgarization, and with the idea of a history of decline and debasement. One could reverse the order and say that Deleuze has "watered-up" some of Neitzsche's ideas. It seems that certain elements in a tradition accrete and that readings can become more nuanced. Nietzsche often went for a "technical" effect with some of his tropes. Deleuze and De Landa, as well as you and I, are swerving off from that lead. -- * distributed via nettime-l : no commercial use without permission * <nettime> is a closed moderated mailinglist for net criticism, * collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets * more info: majordomo@is.in-berlin.de and "info nettime" in the msg body * URL: http://www.desk.nl/~nettime/ contact: nettime-owner@is.in-berlin.de