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Geert Lovink on Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:17:34 +0100 (CET)


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[Nettime-nl] sorry, dat was voor nettime-l bedoeld


joi ito is trouwens in amsterdam deze week en is een van de sprekers op 
de creative capital conferentie. geert


On 14 Mar 2005, at 10:32 AM, Geert Lovink wrote:

> http://joi.ito.com/
>
> 18:00 JST   Joi's Diary  -  Media and Journalism  -  Sharing Economy
>
> Yesterday, I had a meeting with some of the Italian Indymedia 
> community at a squat. In most countries squatters are considered 
> criminals and local law has very little tolerance for them. In Italy, 
> the squat scene is the center of a lot of the sub-culture and 
> alternative media. After years of resistance, many of the squats on 
> property which was owned by the local government have been officially 
> recognized by the government in various degrees. The squats have 
> events including debates and parties. They have kitchens, living 
> quarters, and in the case of the squat I went to last night, a 
> computer lab (called "bugs") that teaches people how to switch from 
> Microsoft to Linux and allows free Internet access to anyone who wants 
> to drop by.
>
> After the chat in the bugs computer room, we went to dinner at a 
> centrosociale. It was similar to a squat in that it was also 
> originally illegally occupied, but the place we went to was on the 
> upscale end. The food was excellent and they had lots of posters and 
> pamphlets describing the organic farming methods they used to grow 
> their produce.
>
> Internet penetration in Italy is quite low and the Berlusconi media 
> machine controls most of what people see. On the other hand, the left 
> wing are fighting hand and fist (literally) with the right wing 
> radicals. Free speech was something that people were fighting for, in 
> many cases outside of the law. At a tactical level, my discussion 
> about freedom of expression and our "Infrastructure of Democracy" idea 
> of fighting bad speech with more good speech sounded a bit idealistic. 
> What was interesting to me was the power and the energy of the 
> alternative media movement. It reminds me of my theory on good 
> alternative music. When there is a huge force pressing down on 
> freedoms, sub-cultures with more creativity and power are likely to 
> form.
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