<nettime> nett!me heavy industries digest [sondheim navas paulukonis laguda]

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Re: <nettime> hoax plus digest [lukens, silver, brown]
     Alan Sondheim <sondheim@panix.com>
RE: <nettime> hoax plus digest [brown]
     eduardo@navasse.net
Industry LLLLLiiist
     "Paulukonis, Michael (RHD-DUN)" <Michael.Paulukonis@rhd.com>
Re: <nettime> noting but industry!
     lagadu@altern.org

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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:21:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime> hoax plus digest [lukens, silver, brown]

Lachlan -

What industry are we involved in? For many of us, "the" industry is in
itself problematic. There are many lists dealing with this - for example
community informatics. Nettime works precisely because it's leaky; its
focus is partial; there's room for everything from the unstable digest on.

Alan

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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 00:56:28 -0700
From: eduardo@navasse.net
Subject: RE: <nettime> hoax plus digest [brown]

Lachlan Brown Wrote:
>
>The people who read Nettime are primarily involved
>in the industry. I think Nettime should become more
>of an industry list.
>
>There are lists that handle the creative and critical
>aspects with greater focus. Industry issues public/private
>sectors are not discussed with such focus.
>
>NE thoughts?
>
>Lachlan
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I was surprised to read the above.  What exactly is "the industry?"  I know
some people who subscribe to nettime personally and/or virtually, and can
say that they do not necessarily work commercially (if that is what is meant
by industry), and if they do, they do look forward to the "critical aspects"
that develop in the postings.

How fast some nettimers forgot the endeavors of Bosma and Fusco...  If anything
else that whole Documenta thread was one of the most interesting of recent
times. If the above is true, I am extremely disappointed.  This "Friday
the 13 post" should be filed under "minor art world hoax," as Peter Lunenfeld
previously posted.

Peace,

Eduardo Navas

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From: "Paulukonis, Michael (RHD-DUN)" <Michael.Paulukonis@rhd.com>
Subject: Industry LLLLLiiist
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:11:31 -0400

List? to which side?


Industry? the Culture Industry?


swing:shift

-the Other Michael
http://xraysmalevich.tripod.com/alternativetonoise
http://www.watermelonpunch.com/whirl/
"If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people together to collect
wood or assign them tasks and work, but rather teach them to long for
the endless immensity of the sea."
--Antoine de Saint Exupery


from: "Lachlan Brown" <lachlan@london.com>
date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 23:55:41 +0000
subject: Nettime should be an Industry list

The people who read Nettime are primarily involved
in the industry. I think Nettime should become more 
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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:41:51 +0200
From: lagadu@altern.org
Subject: Re: <nettime> noting but industry!

nettime's_H0AX0R wrote:

> From: "Lachlan Brown" <lachlan@london.com>
>
> The people who read Nettime are primarily involved
> in the industry. I think Nettime should become more
> of an industry list.
>
> There are lists that handle the creative and critical
> aspects with greater focus. Industry issues public/private
> sectors are not discussed with such focus.
>
> NE thoughts?
>
> Lachlan

Ach so ! do you think poetry is industry, art is industry, net.art is industry,
crypto is industry, EZLN is industry, no border is industry , individual
liberties are industry.....

Maybe you'll be right as  time goes by. But I do hope you are still a bit wrong
and early and for this bit I 'll stay some more on nettime. If you happened to
be right, or the majority of the list give you right,  I would unsubscribe
ASAP.

non-industrially yours

Chris

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