Re: <nettime> Re: System vs Law

[Heiko Recktenwald <uzs106@IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de>]

Hi,

On Fri, 11 Apr 2003, Benjamin Geer wrote:

> I think states respect, and invoke, international law only to the extent that 
> it furthers their own interests.  Sometimes, those interests include 

Some states.

> appearing to stand for higher principles, for reasons of domestic 
> realpolitik.  For example, it is clearly in the state's interest to nourish 
> nationalism at home, by claiming to stand for universal values.  This perhaps 
> partly explains the new German nationalism you described.

Nationalism? To say "No" ? Why cant an aggressiv war be called an agressiv
war without "nationalism" ? I think your premise is wrong.

> > The 'street' has in
> > many ways become part of an extended state,
> 
> The British state certainly didn't want millions of its citizens to 
> demonstrate against its participation in the invasion of Iraq.  Nor did any 
> of the member states of the WTO want their citizens to demonstrate against 
> the WTO in Seattle in 1999.

True, but in some cases the street is part of the politics, one factor,
amongst others.


H.

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