Re: <nettime> Identity and difference

[Patrice Riemens <patrice@xs4all.nl>]

In a French philosophy class 50 yrs ago this thread would have provided 
a fantastic 'baccalaureat' exam subject, since it encapsulates the no 1 
issue of French philosphy, as expressed in the title Vincent Descombes' 
awesome overview of the same: Le Meme et l'Autre (The One and the Other) 
being the question whether there is an identity between identity and 
difference, or a ... difference.

It also epitomize the emptinesss of discussions of identity, this time 
illustrated by a member of Bilwet's famous, but totally vacuous phrase 
"rather a complex identity than an identity complex", completely 
overlooking that the latter is a consequence of the former, not its 
opposite.

Alterity is just as bad a carrier of progress as identity.

This being said: The Winter Is Coming ...

Cheers all the same, p+2D!




On 2018-10-26 01:36, Johnatan Petterson wrote:
> i have seen isabelle stengers in brussels in 1994 who was dissing
> "economy" as the "real enemy" of movements
> she was connected with.
> the leftish dream of labor never became aesthetic or economic, one
> does not contradict the other.
> on what basis would economy and aesthetic contradict one another?
> economy seems in ari's post like metric.
> spinoza seemed opposed to metric (measurement) in his quest for
> aesthetic freedom.
> how would you plug metrics into the aesthetic (creative) understanding
> ?
>
> Le ven. 26 oct. 2018 à 01:07, Alice Yang <alice.lan.yang@gmail.com> a
> écrit :
>
> > Identity politics _is_ class struggle. The nostalgic leftish dream
> > of labor became aesthetic because it did not include women and the
> > racially oppressed.
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:47 PM ari <ari@kein.org> wrote:
> >
> > > The primacy of identity has transmorphed class struggle into
> > > ressentiment politics. Generation identity is the bastard child
> > > of the
> > > failed alterglobalisation movement. If at a time when poverty is
> > > the
> > > source of wealth you insist on denying the economy matters, you
> > > sure
> > > inhabit culture, but it's a culture of denial.
> > --
> >
> > Alice
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