Re: <nettime> Nettime is in bad shape. Let's see if we can change it.

["Sascha D. Freudenheim" <sascha@sascha.com>]

Thank you, Tomasz, for chiming in.

Your definitions are interesting. But if we take them as a starting 
point, I find myself still struggling to understand Frank's intended 
put-down, as well as his complaint. This list serves no real purpose 
beyond a kind of digital entertainment at a virtual social gathering. 
I'm not dismissing it's value in that context, but as a group (however 
loosely constructed) we are not self-consciously engaged in the active 
process of "changing" anything except our own minds through dialogue. 
(Or not changing them, as is likely often the case.)

So, Frank, if that definition of bourgeois suits you, and if you agree 
with Tomasz's framing on the connection to free speech, then why are you 
here?

For those of us who do live in places where speech can create 
trouble--and no doubt many of us do, and more of us may yet soon--then 
it would seem a gratuitous swipe at the speech they post here to dismiss 
it that way -- and to suggest that the moderators are ill-equipped to 
manage it or understand it in that context.

As for my "feeding" habits, indeed, quite right. If anything my media 
intake is polymorphously perverse.

Sascha


On 6/7/19 3:07 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 01:18:23PM -0400, Sascha D. Freudenheim wrote:
> > I resemble that remark, and I object to it strenuously!
> >
> > WTF is a "consistent bourgeois misunderstanding of contextless 'free
> > speech'"? And what makes that misunderstanding "bourgeois" in
> > nature?
>
> For me, "bourgeois" is equivalent to "middle class", whatever this one
> means. In parts of the world where "bourgeois" constitutes a dictating
> majority, "free speech" is, IMHO, equivalent to casual speech and is a
> way to entertain during social gatherings. In other places, this is a
> way to put oneself in a troublesome situation (with degree of
> troublesome varying from ostracism to execution).
>
> [...]
> > As for the ideological monoculture... I don't know what to do about
> > that except go back to my list filtering and lurking.
>
> To avoid ideological monoculture, per analogy to avoiding eating
> monoculture, feed yourself from different sources.
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