| podinski on Wed, 11 Sep 2019 22:13:08 +0200 (CEST) |
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| Re: <nettime> 20 years of Indymedia: Where are we now ?! |
Hi Matze, i tried recently to follow and catch-up on the debacle of linksunten and state censorship... and picked up the pamphlet : verboten ! zur Kriminalisierung von Indymedia linksunten via Rote Hilfe e.v. but havent yet had time to get thru it. ... re: the issue of the liberated webs and copy left... i have begun to think that another unexpected + massive fallout has occurred with all this online free content falling into... the Titan grip... and in the idealism of trying to " common-ize" and/or "dismantle capitalism" on the net, but not in the AFK world... as the majority of us still live in the realms of landlord strangleholds... protection of labor and the livelihoods of content producers and indy publishers + DIY distro merchants was not very well considered... in the eco-systems of books, media, data, small business and shop owners... and people's having to make their money to survive... pay rent.... or recoup their production budgets ( see Astra Taylor's The People's Platform )... Copyright is a completely re-openable subject... of hot debate.... which HKW is also being revisited again this year ( 100 Years Of Copyright and Part 2 : Right the Right... this Nov. ) ... but i am not so hopeful they will handle the topic radically enough, because in the end they are already looking for tech solutionism to fill in the grim situations... ie blockchain in the music industry ? but no time to get very sophisticated in that beastly and tedious topic. ... cheers, p. On 9/10/19 5:40 PM, Matze Schmidt wrote: > One more: > > Sebastian Luetgert in an interview mit textz.com (in German): > https://de.indymedia.org/2004/03/76975.shtml > > Am 10.09.2019 um 16:12 schrieb Matze Schmidt <matzeschmidt@matzeschmidt.de>: > > Hi, > > I remember when topics died. Esp. when Sebasian Luetgert 10?, 15? years ago was about sceptical talking about indymedia some years after the beginning of this platform. The radical pragmatists in Berlin sat there with a shrug. > > What's more important now is a struggle by a left against a state as a censor amidst the general new swing to the right, see here in German: > > https://twitter.com/zineworkshop/status/1161884759364198400?s=20 > > Matze > > Am 10.09.2019 um 13:19 schrieb podinski <podinski@mailbox.org>: > > Hi Ingrid et al, > > hmm, a little shocked that so few want to discuss the indymedia platform topic... and what it means for today's struggles... > but na ja, so it goes in the web flood of efficiently cubicled (un-)solidarities... > > > On 9/7/19 10:05 AM, Hoofd, I.M. (Ingrid) wrote: >> Hello ex-((i)) and ex-N5M3 folks, >> >> Just like to point out that https://www.indymedia.nl/ is still very much alive! I haven't been involved for many years now, but perhaps we could do something in Amsterdam, or barring that something in Berlin together with the Dutch ((i)) folks? I'd be happy to be involved somehow too! > sorry for slow reply... > things have been a little overloaded... > > good to hear that NL ((i)) is still kicking... i believe there are several still out there providing useful public channels ( as mentioned in the article, ie. Argentina ) ! > > Not quite sure how to proceed with any concrete event plans for Nov.... or beyond. > but happy to hear that there are some comrades out there who want to be involved... > > Should be a topic at Transmediale 2019 "e2e" network theme... > https://2020.transmediale.de/festival-2020 > > but one always has to wonder just how far out of touch the arts+cult+showtime sectors are with pragmatic activism + praxis ... > i will check in to see, if not already too late. > > my cynical 2cent bits for the day... > > podinski > > > > > > > > >> Cheers, Ingrid. >> >> >> From: nettime-l-bounces@mail.kein.org <nettime-l-bounces@mail.kein.org> on behalf of podinski <podinski@mailbox.org> >> Sent: 06 September 2019 15:42 >> To: nettime-l@mail.kein.org <nettime-l@mail.kein.org> >> Subject: <nettime> 20 years of Indymedia: Where are we now ?! >> >> hello N-time, >> >> This November INDYMEDIA – (( i )) – will be 20 years old !! >> >> April Glaser writes a good short history of the pioneering >> network/platform/newsfeed … for Logic Magazine ( here ). But there’s >> probably many more things that need to be analyzed in the history of the >> Internet and digital culture to understand and assess whether “Another >> Network Is Possible“… and where + how tactical media can unite >> communities tomorrow… >> >> https://logicmag.io/bodies/another-network-is-possible/ >> >> ... >> >> XLterrestrials are working on an expanded post about ALL that… >> >> http://xlterrestrials.org/plog/?p=19424 >> >> excerpt from Part 1: Where are we now ? >> >> ( that haunting + sad final-years-Bowie tune is playing back in our >> heads as we write… ) >> >> This is an extremely complicated discussion, and it will take more than >> a short essay to sort through all the angles and dilemmas we find >> ourselves soaking in with the cybernetic technodystopias + >> technospherical spectrum +/or rectal probes of the military/corporate >> communication industries, now oozing ubiquitous through all the tissues >> and orifices of human + social organization like electro-shock + >> doctrines + disruption therapies to cure our inherited >> already-anthropocene-driven madness… by accelerating it … like: Here >> take this, it’s another anthropo-scenic downloading spiral into >> Stephen-Pinker-esque "tech-n-progress” Inc. >> >> ... >> >> On a tangent note, it would be nice to put on some Indy-inspired type >> tactical media event... >> >> perhaps in the Btropolis ( Berlin ) for this anniversary date... >> >> Any ((i)) and N5Minutes veterans wanna play with us on that ? get in touch ! >> >> There is already something planned in Houston hosted by IMC folks there >> ( at Rice U. ?) ... >> >> but nothing in the EU territories yet, as far as we know... and WHY >> Btropolis? >> >> One of its IMC sites is still active, >> >> and its more radical sibling offshoot, got the crackdown + kicked off >> the webz 2 years ago. ( Linksunten )... >> >> And there's been heated discussions here about WHAT'S NEXT !! >> >> ... >> >> liebegreetz ! >> >> podinski >> >> >> 0~~~~O-----o >> www.xlterrestrials.org/plog >> >> arts + praxis organisms >> o-----O~~~~~0 >> >> >> >> >> >> # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission >> # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, >> # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets >> # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >> # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@kein.org >> # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@kein.org > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: > > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: