<nettime> Framing the issues: [X2 Slath & auskadi]

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     Taz-Ays-Slath <skwiskwis@yahoo.com>                                             

   Re: <nettime> Framing the issues  auskadi@tvcabo.co.mz                                                                           


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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 07:42:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Taz-Ays-Slath <skwiskwis@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime> Framing the issues: how conservatives use language to dominate politics  


Does anyone know how to obtain a copy of the most recent "manual" by Frank Luntz referenced in the 
interview with George Lakoff??


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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 01:07:58 -0500 (EST)
From: auskadi@tvcabo.co.mz

Re: <nettime> Framing the issues: how conservatives use language to
dominate politics

On Friday 06 February 2004 20:30, Ian Dickson wrote:
> from a European perspective (where a lot of the framing is actually left
> wing)

Joder Ian, we must live in different worlds allright. I have just got back 
from 5 weeks in Europe. The Basque Country in fact. Even when I am  out
of Europe I watch European TV everyday RTP from Portugal, TVE from Spain
and the BBC from the UK. In May I even watch RAI. I see 
little of this left wing framing. Well actually none of it. 

The language spoken of in the article, or alluded to is alive and well in
most of Europe, even in those alleged social democratic states like Germany and 
the UK. I always laugh when I hear gringos talk of liberals and
conservatives - - that's a "framing" in itself. I had an American student once who told me 
the definition of a liberal was a socialist. I had to get him a
dictionary. 

But back to that nest of vipers - left wing Europe - the langauge of
terror is more than alive and well for example in Spain with anyone who opposes the 
Madrid right wing being a terrorist or colluding with them.

Maybe you could help me out with some real wold examples of "left wing 
framing" today - in Europe especially.
Martin


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