|scotartt on Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:23:38 +0200 (MET DST)|
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|<nettime.free> Re: many questions!|
please remove me from this list. i didn't ask to be on it. this is highly rude, not good net.manners. regards, scot. eon wrote: > > >From email@example.com Sun Oct 11 18:24:20 1998 > Received: from mserv.rug.ac.be (188.8.131.52) by mediafilter.org with > ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.1.2); Sun, 11 Oct 1998 18:24:15 -0400 > Received: from eduserv2.rug.ac.be (firstname.lastname@example.org [184.108.40.206]) > by mserv.rug.ac.be (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id AAA25769 > for <email@example.com>; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:21:43 +0200 (MET DST) > Received: from [220.127.116.11] (sdln1p57.rug.ac.be [18.104.22.168]) > by eduserv2.rug.ac.be (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id AAA09035 > for <firstname.lastname@example.org>; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:21:39 +0200 (MET DST) > Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:21:39 +0200 (MET DST) > X-Sender: email@example.com > Message-Id: <firstname.lastname@example.org> > In-Reply-To: <email@example.com> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > To: firstname.lastname@example.org > From: fokky <email@example.com> > Subject: many questions! > > >Once again, there is an OPEN LIST for Nettime, free of > >any unwanted censorship, hidden agendas, personal tastes, > >anal-retentive book editors/librarians, respiratory diseases, > >and other information-hostile elements that have corrupted > >the intial mission of the nettime list as established by the > >founders of Nettime in Venice, June, 1995. > > A deep sigh of relief... and many thanks to those who took this initiative. > > A few questions and remarks though: > > 1. Most subscribers were not present at the initial nettime meeting in > Venice; so how important can that initial mission still be, how much of it > should be reformulated, or rather: do we need anything like an initial > mission at all? > > 2. On nettime-l discussion about the how and what of the list itself - > practical issues - were mostly kept in the dark, or held in small circles; > how about nettime.free? If you ask my opinion, I think it's extremely > important to discuss these issues thoroughly and openly, on the list > itself, so that the greatest possible number of people are kept informed > and are able to participate - drawback: more traffic. Openness vs. less > overloaded mailboxes. What do you want? > > 3. Announcements... I compiled the announcer for nettime-l, being quite > aware that this was a tricky and unpure thing to do (contributing to the > mechanism of moderation which, in fact, I'm very much opposed to), and my > motives for that were: keeping at least some of the nettime > responsibilities outside the usual circles ('who the f* is that fokky?' - > someone even thought I was not a person, but a script, which in fact I > consider a huge compliment), and practicing my own little tiny and > hopelessly naive part of the now rather hypocrit idea of 'gift economy' - > sigh. So much for public confession; right now all nettime-l announcements > are being sent to me, and I want to ask you: do I bounce them to > nettime-free? Or does anyone (xs2.net???) volunteer to host a separate > announcer-free list? Things being as they are now, I quit compiling the > weekly announcer digest (_and_ consider unsubscribing from nettime-l, but > that's another thing). But I'd like to know as soon as possible where I can > send the "raw" announcements to. Hopefully this problem will auto-regulate > soon, when people become aware that they can send the announcements > immediately to the list (which one??) instead of to me. > > 4. Policies of this list. I would like to make some strong (probably > impossible) statements about how I feel nettime-free should be maintained - > my personal opinion, perhaps (hopefully) controversial, expressed in order > to start a discussion about this. > > - nettime-free shall not bring out any kind of printed or even xeroxed > publications. NETtime, remember?? Do we take this medium seriously or what? > (there's a damn lot of work to be done here, btw...) If people want to find > a channel to get their writing published on paper / for money somewhere, > let them please look for it elsewhere (or create their own forum for this > specific goal) and not impose their agendas upon those who want to get > something done *online*. Nettime-free shall try to find different channels > to distribute important content that is being exchanged here. > > - nettime-free shall not organize physical meetings (ljubljana-style) and > shall radically avoid offline decision-making. Why? Because this kind of > stuff automatically creates 'inner circles' of people who are more involved > than others, and automatically deprives a considerable amount of > subscribers from important information. In my perception (which can be > wrong, I was not present at the meeting, grin) the big nettime gathering in > Ljubljana last year was a crucial point in the degeneration of the list. > Again: let's try to get things done with the instruments that are to > *every* subscriber's disposal - in this case: email. Again: do we take this > medium seriously or what? > > - nettime-free shall strive to be as independent from any existing > institution as possible. > > - nettime-free has no spokespersons, no representatives. No-one can attach > her/his name to this initiative. > > - nettime-free shall strive for self-regulation. I.e. every author is > responsible for her/his own writing, mistakes, sloppy formatting; and if > subscribers are displeased with specific pieces of writing (which they, for > example, find offensive or consider spam), they are kindly asked to get in > touch with the author through personal (offlist) communication. May I > remind everyone (and I'm truly sorry to be so patronizing ;) again of the > existence of email filters, procmail and the nice and shiny delete button? > Traffic and overload are a problem, unless everyone takes her/his own > responsibility. (If you want to know about my own situation: I have very > little time to read things thoroughly, only have 1,4Mb email disk space to > my disposal, size checked every day - so i'm quite familiar with stripped > mailboxes - and the extremely expensive Belgian phone fees devour a very > considerable amount of my not-very-high income. Still I wouldn't dream of > missing this horrible daily portion of email overload :) > > 5. Some final questions and remarks: > - can anyone subscribe to this list, without approval from anyone else? > - will nettime-free have a website / archive? (we can have it archived at > egroups.com - five minutes' work, I can take care of it) > - I would like to ask to have the following line removed from the footer: > # nettime.free is not infected with TB or other respiratory diseases > Why? because this initiative is too important, and shouldn't be trivialised > by personal vengeance motives, imho - even without TB, nettime-l would have > created its own other TB-like moderator personality, that's the crucial > point I guess, and the man has suffered enough from this, I think, even if > you're not particularly fond of him. > > Expecting a lot from this, > many greetings, > fokky. > > # distributed via nettime.free : no commercial use without permission > # <nettime.free> is an open mailinglist for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: firstname.lastname@example.org and "info nettime.free" in the msg body > # nettime.free is not infected with TB or other respiratory diseases > # free speech guaranteed--speak and breathe freely! > > -- "It's like a record needle cuts a groove into the brain" http://autonomous.org/soundsite/# distributed via nettime.free : no commercial use without permission # <nettime.free> is an open mailinglist for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: email@example.com and "info nettime.free" in the msg body # To subscribe: firstname.lastname@example.org with # "subscribe nettime.free" in the msg body # Speak freely or unsubscribe!